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| This is an addendum to my Audio Timing Training Series http://www.youtube.com/user/jpettit123?feature=watch
It shows how to embed your Tempo map into imported files that have no tempo or the wrong tempo. ( for example people importing recordings from Studio Live)
After which you are free to change almost anything with the timing while still keep the feel of the song.
Thanks go to forum member Bbd for supplying the externally recorded files with no tempo, a 1935 Hammerstein song made famous by Louis Armstrong with a contagious melody and great lyric that grew on me.
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Training Videos: Advance Melodyne, Creating Macros, 2.5 New Features, Signal Flow, Audio Timing Drum Replacement, Tempo Mapping, Useful Macros, Transformations, Layer/Takes/Comps
Simultaneous Audio Interfaces: Audiobox 1818VSL, RME 9632, Line 6 UX2, HF Presonus HP-60
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| thank you very much! yours are wonderful tutorials.
I was trying to apply what you explained in your videos but I faced a couple of problems. When I try to map the tempo track manually, the impossibility to zoom (on the vertical axis) the tempo track is a real pain. I mean, if you have a pretty good time performance with just small changes in the tempo around 60 bpm it's annoying to see the full bpm range from 0 to 300. You cannot be precise. How did you solve it in your workflow?
The second problem is that even though I use the Shift key to do small changes to the tempo, sometimes it does big unwanted changes. Does it happen to you also?
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| dr4kan wrote:thank you very much! yours are wonderful tutorials.
I was trying to apply what you explained in your videos but I faced a couple of problems. When I try to map the tempo track manually, the impossibility to zoom (on the vertical axis) the tempo track is a real pain. I mean, if you have a pretty good time performance with just small changes in the tempo around 60 bpm it's annoying to see the full bpm range from 0 to 300. You cannot be precise. How did you solve it in your workflow?
The second problem is that even though I use the Shift key to do small changes to the tempo, sometimes it does big unwanted changes. Does it happen to you also?
I agree about the vertical zoom and have asked for a 'data zoom' on the tempo track ( for now you can pull the tempo track down larger but not much) .
However it sounds like you might be using the wrong keys.
In a nut shell
1) The insert tempo changes will always be on a beat. I suggest always putting them on the 1 or down beat.That is why I made a macro to insert 16 at a time. so with snap on put you cursor on the first down beat and insert a few time changes per measure or use my macro.
2) The hot key is Ctrl + drag PC ( I believe Option + drag ?) on the Mac, Always start a tempo change from an exact grid line beat, you will see the cursor change to the 'watch' and alignment bars will appear when holding down the Ctrl ( Option), in the mode snap is turned off automatically and you should be able to widely swing the tempo change mark either direction, then use the alignment bar to align with the exact live performance beat in the track. S1 will then snap the tempo change to your new mark.
Keep this in mind: you are stretching the grid tempo line to the stationary ( dent follow) performance line n the track.
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FRs: Tempo Detection & Mapping
Training Videos: Advance Melodyne, Creating Macros, 2.5 New Features, Signal Flow, Audio Timing Drum Replacement, Tempo Mapping, Useful Macros, Transformations, Layer/Takes/Comps
Simultaneous Audio Interfaces: Audiobox 1818VSL, RME 9632, Line 6 UX2, HF Presonus HP-60
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| This is really great information, jpettit. I'm watching your Audio Timing series on YouTube. I do have a question:
In the past I've tried using the Audio Bend feature to pull a naturally recorded track into a strict tempo (human conforms to computer). The 'Detect Transients' feature, along with the sensitivity and threshold work okay, but continually dragging the waveform around seems to take forever and quantizing doesn't always do what I want.
Is there a way to take your 'computer confirms to human' method (in which you essentially tell the computer where your downbeats are by dragging the Tempo Track to match) to the next level and just quantize those downbeats BACK TO a strict computerized tempo? In other words, it's tempo mapping a naturally recorded track and then quantizing it using those markers (instead of using the Audio Bend tool).
The backstory is this. I'm importing several tracks from songs that were recorded (without a metronome) on an old Tascam DP01-FX Portastudio. I'm using my acoustic track as the baseline, trying to get that in a strict time, then letting my other tracks (vocals, piano..which are 'in time' with the guitar) follow along with any changes I make to the guitar track. Make sense? Thanks again for your videos. | Recording gear:
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- Martin DC-16RGTE
- Fender American Deluxe Telecaster
- Epiphone PR-100
- Kurzweil SP88x Stage Piano
- Fender '65 Princeton Reverb Vintage Reissue | Subject:Re:Studio One 2.6 Tempo Mapping External Imported Files | jpettit
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| Yes
Watch this video again.
Once I map the tempo to the live playing THEN stamp the map tempo into the live tracks, THEN those tracks can be straighten out in tempo and still retain the relative live feel.
NOTE: if you are OK with the live performance then ALL you have to do is the first mapping step as loops/quantizing will follow the grid.
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FRs: Tempo Detection & Mapping
Training Videos: Advance Melodyne, Creating Macros, 2.5 New Features, Signal Flow, Audio Timing Drum Replacement, Tempo Mapping, Useful Macros, Transformations, Layer/Takes/Comps
Simultaneous Audio Interfaces: Audiobox 1818VSL, RME 9632, Line 6 UX2, HF Presonus HP-60
DAWs: Studio One Pro 2.6.1, Reaper 4.5, Sonar X3c Pro, Adobe Audition CS5
Computer: OS:Win7 64-bit, Core i7 950, ASUS P6X58D Premium, 12GB DDR3 1600, GeForce GTX 470 (for CUDA) ,SSD Boot & Cache drives, 1 Tera 7200 RPM SATA II Audio & Video drives, UAD-2 x2 | Subject:Re:Studio One 2.6 Tempo Mapping External Imported Files | brianmbremer
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| Thanks. I was just about to delete my post as I found one of your other replies on this same topic. Brilliant! | Recording gear:
- Presonus Studio One 2
- Presonus FireStudio Project
- Blue Bluebird
- Audio Technica AT3035
- Blue Encore 100
- Audio Technica Pro 4L
MacBook Pro
- Processor: 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
- Memory: 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
- Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 256 MB
- OS: Mac OS X Mavericks 10.9.1
Instruments:
- Martin DC-16RGTE
- Fender American Deluxe Telecaster
- Epiphone PR-100
- Kurzweil SP88x Stage Piano
- Fender '65 Princeton Reverb Vintage Reissue |
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